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Remember I was talking about how Joss Whedon is no stranger to eroticizing torture, for all that he gets his panties in a bunch if the torturee is a woman. Because he's a feminist and thinks women should be equal to men in all things. :|

Here's someone who looked at Whedon's record more closely: Torture in the 'Verse (from the [livejournal.com profile] su_herald)

And the FLDS thing got me thinking too. Within the last couple of years I've read at least two National Geographic Articles describing the marriage practices of African tribespeople that pretty much are equivalent to the practices of the FLDS. Pre-pubescent girls are available sexually to the young warriors-in-training until the girls start to menstruate. Then they are married off by their fathers to older men they don't know. The articles were presented without condemnation of any kind. It's just a different culture, right? Imagine the outcry if they had done an article on a FLDS "tribe". So, why the difference in perception? Is it a race thang?

Date: 2008-04-11 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] botias.livejournal.com
But what if real life, real human nature is not a pretty thing? Is art reflecting real life and real sexual kinks still OK then? Women may have to give up their torture porn if they would have men do the same. It might not be enough to say: Well, when you men behave better you can be trusted with this sort of thing. Or to say to men, your sexual kinks disturb me because I've been a victim of RL violence and this reminds me of it.

Further, it's possible that the uproar of women over men's taste in media may have less scientific basis than the uproar non-smokers make in this country about being forced to endure the habits of smokers.

Date: 2008-04-11 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bendy1.livejournal.com
But what if real life, real human nature is not a pretty thing?

It is not a pretty thing, and that's cool.

But society is not nature, it is a forced and very false structure that we can (and often do) change.

Our society and economy is a construct. So is our media, which supports that construct.

It sounds to me like Clinton's (Bill, not Hills) giving over political power to the ecomomy. It *sounds* like natural justice but it *results* in a poorer nation with greater stratification overall.

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