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Unless the speaker is some combination of handsome, smooth and male. I'm also awful with the 'unreliable narrator' thing in fiction. I have a terrible tendency to assume the 'heroes' are supposed to be right.

Perhaps then, it is not surprising that I believed Buffy all 500 times that she told Spike that she was never going to touch him, ever, ever again. I believed this all the way up until she pulled his erection out of his pants and hopped eagerly onto it, at which point I fell over in shock. Of course, I had to rewatch several times to be certain of what I had seen.

Buffy's protestations aside, I never thought ME would let their heroine get groiny with a vampire evil vampire. And having tumbled her from her pedestal, I guess they wanted her to see the sights. Why they thought this would be be a grand idea, I'll never know. I really wish they hadn't. Even if I liked watching Buffy on the rack for an entire season, which I don't, watching Spike on the rack is pure torture.

Date: 2006-05-26 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com
One wonderful thing about Buffy is that they really would go dangerous places with the story. Prophecy Girl, Innocence, Consequences, Smashed, Dead Things, The Body, New Moon Rising, The Pack, Normal Again, and several others really had rock-the-Buffyverse moments because ME had courage to make the show better than its formula.

The only Buffy absolutely without any courage was season seven.

So I never believed Buffy about Spike; she didn't look sincere to me. But I was still pleasantly surprised to see where they were going to take us.

And I hate it when the heroes are always right.

Date: 2006-05-26 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] botias.livejournal.com
I never believed Buffy about Spike; she didn't look sincere to me.

There's probably a bunch of messed up, conflicted guys I missed out on 'cause I took 'em at their word. *shakes head*

And I hate it when the heroes are always right.

You are not alone. It's when people are really selfish and mean that bugs me. If the characters are all tremedously self-absorbed, disfunctional urbanites, I run away as fast as I can. That's why they pay therapists, not the other way around.

Date: 2006-05-27 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com
There's probably a bunch of messed up, conflicted guys I missed out on 'cause I took 'em at their word.

Um...It's probably not as great a loss as you're making it sound like.

I'm pretty sure Buffy's no great prize. I'd put her on top of my "you couldn't pay me enough" list of fictional characters. And it doesn't exactly take a lot of compassion and emotional stability to make my "probably already...in my head" list.

tremedously self-absorbed, disfunctional urbanites

Hey! There's nothing [inherently] wrong with urbanites.

Date: 2006-05-27 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] owenthurman.livejournal.com
took 'em at their word

I remember a couple of young women I've known who refused to take me at my word like that. Persisted. And they were both right. I had great times with them for a few years each.

But I figure that's just because I was a very young man a the time and therefore had the emotional maturity of an eggplant (aubergine).

Date: 2006-05-27 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] botias.livejournal.com
So you're telling me I missed out on guys with the emotional maturity of eggplants? ;)

I've been the pursuer before with very enjoyable and fruitful results, but I'm guessing it's always a good idea to take someone at their word when they say they're not interested. If they are and say they are not, it doesn't mean anything good (even if it doesn't mean anything really bad). And if they really aren't, you're just wasting your time and making yourself look pathetic.

It seems like this would be an excellent philosophy for a guy to embrace. I can't speak for all women, but I can start to feel kinda threatened and uncomfortable by guys that don't take a hint.

You're right, I generally avoid abusive, bigoted ruralites in fiction as well. I'm an equal lack of opportunity person, or something.

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